muppetblaster_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 07:51
I think this article was quite fair.
[quote]
The reason why Skype works as well as it does is because of these computers called Super Nodes - think of them as you would a local exchange, routing your call etc. Any computer running Skype with a clear-line-of-site to the Internet, plenty of bandwidth, and plenty of resources (memory, CPU) can become a Super Node, and this could result in this machine and its network segment becoming overwhelmed by Skype traffic.
...
At the start of 2004 there were around 4.3 million businesses in the United Kingdom, and only 0.1 percent of these (around 6,000) had more than 250 employees; 0.6 percent have 50-249 employees*.
So, for 99.3 percent of small firms with less than 50 employees Skype is great.
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Source
MuppetMaster
Sat Dec 24 2005, 09:12
The article fails to articulate why Skype is 'great' for small business but not for large enterprises. Why could it not be great for both? Or present issues for both? I do not follow the point the article is attempting to make.
muppetblaster_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 09:21
[quote=muppetmaster] I do not follow the point the article is attempting to make.[/quote]
I'm sorry to hear that.
MuppetMaster
Sat Dec 24 2005, 10:06
[quote=muppetblaster][quote=muppetmaster] I do not follow the point the article is attempting to make.[/quote]
I'm sorry to hear that.[/quote]
Please expand upon the point the article is attempting to make, as it is not clear. Why is Skype good for the small business but bad for the big one? Why may Skype, according to the points made in the article, be equally good or bad for business in general?
The article focuses on the issue of Supernodes as the main reason to keep it out of the enterprise, whether you agree with this or not the article fails to say why this is an issue more acute for large enterprises than for a small business. What is the distinction?
Or is this just a poorly written article? Probably just that.
muppetblaster_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 10:34
It clearly says "For more information, see www.butlergroup.com". Not so difficult is it?
[quote]
TECHwatch is a monthly journal written exclusively by Martin Butler, founder and research chair of Butler Group, covering his unique and forthright views on technology and IT vendors. For more information, see www.butlergroup.com.
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http://www.butlergroup.com
MuppetMaster
Sat Dec 24 2005, 10:44
[quote=muppetblaster]It clearly says "For more information, see www.butlergroup.com". Not so difficult is it?
[quote]
TECHwatch is a monthly journal written exclusively by Martin Butler, founder and research chair of Butler Group, covering his unique and forthright views on technology and IT vendors. For more information, see www.butlergroup.com.
[/quote]
http://www.butlergroup.com[/quote]
:lol: And a search on Skype on the ButlerGroup site returns nothing but links to other external articles and no original research by the ButlerGroup to backup the article posted above.
So, care to expand upon why you say this is a good and balanced article? I do not see it, as it really says nothing new and fails to say why a supernode is bad but okay for a small business. If Skype is good for a small business why may it not be good for a large business?
muffinman_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 10:51
[quote=muppetmaster]
So, care to expand upon why you say this is a good and balanced article? I do not see it, as it really says nothing new and fails to say why a supernode is bad but okay for a small business. If Skype is good for a small business why may it not be good for a large business?[/quote]
Arse!
muppetblaster_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 10:52
The you obviously didn't search good enough - or login...
I am not going to babysit you, so please do your own homework. I am leaving to "celebrate" Christmas now.
MuppetMaster
Sat Dec 24 2005, 11:09
[quote=muppetblaster]The you obviously didn't search good enough - or login...
I am not going to babysit you, so please do your own homework. I am leaving to "celebrate" Christmas now.[/quote]
False, I did login. The latest research section lists one article. And a search of Skype on the entire site returns 15 links, none of which expand upon the article above. Indeed, the article must stand on its own merits and I do not see why Supernodes are more acutely/or less acutely a problem for large enterprises while they are not for small businesses. I guess there is just nothing to back it up so we must take it at face value.
Care to articulate why it is bad for big business while good for small as the article implies? As ironically, the one thing an organization may control is ensuring they do not become a Skype supernode by deploying the appropriate firewalls. The concerns lie elsewhere.
Happy Holidays!
gwaelod_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 12:49
Yawn.
Happy Xmas.
farang_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 16:09
[quote=gwaelod]Yawn.
Happy Xmas.[/quote]
Happy Winter Solstice :wink:
Condor
Sat Dec 24 2005, 19:19
Super Nodes are a paper tiger. Every sophisticated enity or individual is behind a hardware firewall and thus incapable of becoming a Super Node.
The reason that Skype benefits small business is that small business generally do not have IT departments advising what programs they may or may not run, thus the obvious benefits of Skype inure to small business.
Muppetmaster is just being a nitpicker, as usual.
To all my friends in Godless Europe, I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a joyous new year, from the land of George Bush, also known as America, a Christian nation. :wink:
farang_
Sat Dec 24 2005, 19:38
[quote=Ocelot]
To all my friends in Godless Europe, I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a joyous new year, from the land of George Bush, also known as America, a Christian nation. :wink:[/quote]
Happy Winter Solstice :wink:
garnet_stone
Sun Dec 25 2005, 12:18
[quote]Muppetmaster is just being a nitpicker, as usual. [/quote]
Being a nitpicker is not so bad as long as there are nits to pick. As Muppetmaster pointed out, the article was poorly written. It also left unanswered the obvious question: What is it precisely that Skype does or does not do that makes it's suitability for enterprise vary between large and small organizations? I could probably make a stab at answering, as could Muppetmaster, but I'm not sure I fully understand the complexities. You guys are the ones trying to make a point here, so you answer.
As for holiday greetings, remember that the winter solstice celebration was here long before Christmas. It might surprise you that the date of Christmas was designed precisely so that Christ would be positioned to chase those demons away...
May the Christmas message challenge and strengthen you.
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