I'm wondering is Gizmo or another open standards clients would be better for use over skype.
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?
Full Version: Shall I use Gizmo over Skype?
Gizmo is better quality, better network, use their own servers. They are open and have customer service. I switched and love it.
Gizmo will win out in the long run as a professional phone service, especially in a business environment. It's much more dependable.
Gizmo will win out in the long run as a professional phone service, especially in a business environment. It's much more dependable.
[quote=pvpn]I'm wondering is Gizmo or another open standards clients would be better for use over skype.
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?[/quote]
You are of course assuming that Joe Public understands what open standards are?
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?[/quote]
You are of course assuming that Joe Public understands what open standards are?
[quote=gwaelod][quote=pvpn]I'm wondering is Gizmo or another open standards clients would be better for use over skype.
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?[/quote]
You are of course assuming that Joe Public understands what open standards are?[/quote]
Joe Public understands what US$0.01/min means, Joe Public understands that being able to use the service without a computer should be a standard feature of a telephony service, Joe Public understands that being able to call people and receive calls from other networks (basic interconnection) is a good thing. So yes, Joe Public does understand the benefits of open standards. Choice is good, walled gardens bad.
I use Skype, Gizmo and Eyebeam as my primary softphones and messengers w/voice (and I dabble in many others and would have Gtalk if it were on OSX). I keep all of them both to maximize my contactable network as much as keeping abreast of the evolving technology.
By far Gizmo is the winner in terms of the interface, features and being based on open standards. Plus, being an avid Asterisk user, there are all sorts of nifty things that I may do:
http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=3185
Gizmo is not without faults, but every platform in the market today has room for improvement.
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?[/quote]
You are of course assuming that Joe Public understands what open standards are?[/quote]
Joe Public understands what US$0.01/min means, Joe Public understands that being able to use the service without a computer should be a standard feature of a telephony service, Joe Public understands that being able to call people and receive calls from other networks (basic interconnection) is a good thing. So yes, Joe Public does understand the benefits of open standards. Choice is good, walled gardens bad.
I use Skype, Gizmo and Eyebeam as my primary softphones and messengers w/voice (and I dabble in many others and would have Gtalk if it were on OSX). I keep all of them both to maximize my contactable network as much as keeping abreast of the evolving technology.
By far Gizmo is the winner in terms of the interface, features and being based on open standards. Plus, being an avid Asterisk user, there are all sorts of nifty things that I may do:
http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=3185
Gizmo is not without faults, but every platform in the market today has room for improvement.
[quote=muppetmaster][quote=gwaelod][quote=pvpn]I'm wondering is Gizmo or another open standards clients would be better for use over skype.
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?[/quote]
You are of course assuming that Joe Public understands what open standards are?[/quote]
Joe Public understands what US$0.01/min means, Joe Public understands that being able to use the service without a computer should be a standard feature of a telephony service, Joe Public understands that being able to call people and receive calls from other networks (basic interconnection) is a good thing. So yes, Joe Public does understand the benefits of open standards. Choice is good, walled gardens bad.
I use Skype, Gizmo and Eyebeam as my primary softphones and messengers w/voice (and I dabble in many others and would have Gtalk if it were on OSX). I keep all of them both to maximize my contactable network as much as keeping abreast of the evolving technology.
By far Gizmo is the winner in terms of the interface, features and being based on open standards. Plus, being an avid Asterisk user, there are all sorts of nifty things that I may do:
http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=3185
Gizmo is not without faults, but every platform in the market today has room for improvement.[/quote]
Sorry you live in cloud cuckoo land if you really think Joe Public understands open standards.
Now that the price for Gizmo is lower (and others are also announcing 1c calls) perhaps it's not too wise to keep using skype.
My major concern is that I will be never able to integrate it into any type of voip system (like asterisk or a commercial voip gateway).
Ouch.... I'm pressed to use it by ppl who have it, otoh I would like a more interoperable solution.
Any Ideas?[/quote]
You are of course assuming that Joe Public understands what open standards are?[/quote]
Joe Public understands what US$0.01/min means, Joe Public understands that being able to use the service without a computer should be a standard feature of a telephony service, Joe Public understands that being able to call people and receive calls from other networks (basic interconnection) is a good thing. So yes, Joe Public does understand the benefits of open standards. Choice is good, walled gardens bad.
I use Skype, Gizmo and Eyebeam as my primary softphones and messengers w/voice (and I dabble in many others and would have Gtalk if it were on OSX). I keep all of them both to maximize my contactable network as much as keeping abreast of the evolving technology.
By far Gizmo is the winner in terms of the interface, features and being based on open standards. Plus, being an avid Asterisk user, there are all sorts of nifty things that I may do:
http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=3185
Gizmo is not without faults, but every platform in the market today has room for improvement.[/quote]
Sorry you live in cloud cuckoo land if you really think Joe Public understands open standards.
[quote=gwaelod]Sorry you live in cloud cuckoo land if you really think Joe Public understands open standards.[/quote]
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?
[quote=muppetmaster][quote=gwaelod]Sorry you live in cloud cuckoo land if you really think Joe Public understands open standards.[/quote]
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?[/quote]
I genuinely disagree with what you say and without wanting to go into what I do for a living I have an insider view. You are entitled to your opinion and I mine, time will tell
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?[/quote]
I genuinely disagree with what you say and without wanting to go into what I do for a living I have an insider view. You are entitled to your opinion and I mine, time will tell
[quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster][quote=gwaelod]Sorry you live in cloud cuckoo land if you really think Joe Public understands open standards.[/quote]
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?[/quote]
I genuinely disagree with what you say and without wanting to go into what I do for a living I have an insider view. You are entitled to your opinion and I mine, time will tell[/quote]
Yes and my dad could beat up your dad.
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?[/quote]
I genuinely disagree with what you say and without wanting to go into what I do for a living I have an insider view. You are entitled to your opinion and I mine, time will tell
[/quote]
Yes and my dad could beat up your dad.
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QUOTE(gwaelod)
QUOTE(muppetmaster)
QUOTE(gwaelod)
Sorry you live in cloud cuckoo land if you really think Joe Public understands open standards.
Mr Public appreciates the resulting benefits, could care less about the underlying protocol. That is the point, these benefits arise directly because of the use of open standards.
Who wants to be in a walled garden beholden to a vendor, when they may have choice and all of the resulting benefits?
I genuinely disagree with what you say and without wanting to go into what I do for a living I have an insider view. You are entitled to your opinion and I mine, time will tell
Yes and my dad could beat up your dad.
You seem to think I am arguing with you but to the contrary. You have your opinion, I have mine and time will tell.
My dad could still beat up your dad.
QUOTE(muppetmaster)
My dad could still beat up your dad.
I doubt it he's dead.
[quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster]My dad could still beat up your dad.[/quote]
I doubt it he's dead.[/quote]
I am sorry to hear that. The point is that the age old argument of 'I know it all but I am just not going to tell you' is what I heard on the playground when I was 6. Either backup your argument or don't bother, as it is quite boring.
I recommend the use of Gizmo, although there are times when Skype makes sense based on what the user needs.
I doubt it he's dead.[/quote]
I am sorry to hear that. The point is that the age old argument of 'I know it all but I am just not going to tell you' is what I heard on the playground when I was 6. Either backup your argument or don't bother, as it is quite boring.
I recommend the use of Gizmo, although there are times when Skype makes sense based on what the user needs.
[quote=muppetmaster][quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster]My dad could still beat up your dad.[/quote]
I doubt it he's dead.[/quote]
I am sorry to hear that. The point is that the age old argument of 'I know it all but I am just not going to tell you' is what I heard on the playground when I was 6. Either backup your argument or don't bother, as it is quite boring.
I recommend the use of Gizmo, although there are times when Skype makes sense based on what the user needs.[/quote]
Don't be sorry you did not kill him (or did you :?: ). I like the board but do not have time like you to do to go into long arguements. I keep that for the day job.
I doubt it he's dead.[/quote]
I am sorry to hear that. The point is that the age old argument of 'I know it all but I am just not going to tell you' is what I heard on the playground when I was 6. Either backup your argument or don't bother, as it is quite boring.
I recommend the use of Gizmo, although there are times when Skype makes sense based on what the user needs.[/quote]
Don't be sorry you did not kill him (or did you :?:
). I like the board but do not have time like you to do to go into long arguements. I keep that for the day job.
We all know you are a busy insider with nothing to hide. Here are the facts. Joe Public does care about price, choice and community. There is no question about this. Further, these parameters are impacted by whether the platform is a closed garden or an open platform that allows for interconnection. There is no question about this.
What is questionable is whether Joe Public may discern how these parameters shift based on the various platforms. There is a lot of noise and a lot of ignorance to go around.
What is questionable is whether Joe Public may discern how these parameters shift based on the various platforms. There is a lot of noise and a lot of ignorance to go around.
[quote=muppetmaster]Here are the facts. Joe Public does care about price, choice and community. There is no question about this. Further, these parameters are impacted by whether the platform is a closed garden or an open platform that allows for interconnection. There is no question about this.[/quote]
In your mind there isn't, in mine there is and I don't agree. You can post re post whatever you want. I don't agree with you but it is a free world and i am entitled to my opinion as are you.
In your mind there isn't, in mine there is and I don't agree. You can post re post whatever you want. I don't agree with you but it is a free world and i am entitled to my opinion as are you.
[quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster]Here are the facts. Joe Public does care about price, choice and community. There is no question about this. Further, these parameters are impacted by whether the platform is a closed garden or an open platform that allows for interconnection. There is no question about this.[/quote]
In your mind there isn't, in mine there is and I don't agree. You can post re post whatever you want. I don't agree with you but it is a free world and i am entitled to my opinion as are you.[/quote]
There is opinion and there is denial of reality. We may let others choose who is guilty of what.
In your mind there isn't, in mine there is and I don't agree. You can post re post whatever you want. I don't agree with you but it is a free world and i am entitled to my opinion as are you.[/quote]
There is opinion and there is denial of reality. We may let others choose who is guilty of what.
[quote=muppetmaster][quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster]Here are the facts. Joe Public does care about price, choice and community. There is no question about this. Further, these parameters are impacted by whether the platform is a closed garden or an open platform that allows for interconnection. There is no question about this.[/quote]
In your mind there isn't, in mine there is and I don't agree. You can post re post whatever you want. I don't agree with you but it is a free world and i am entitled to my opinion as are you.[/quote]
There is opinion and there is denial of reality. We may let others choose who is guilty of what.[/quote]
In your mind there is your fact and your fact alone and everyone else is wrong?
In your mind there isn't, in mine there is and I don't agree. You can post re post whatever you want. I don't agree with you but it is a free world and i am entitled to my opinion as are you.[/quote]
There is opinion and there is denial of reality. We may let others choose who is guilty of what.[/quote]
In your mind there is your fact and your fact alone and everyone else is wrong?
Certain things are fact, certain things are opinion. For example, we may all agree that water consists of H20, while we may not agree whether it is warm or cool to the touch. Consumers in general prefer low-cost and choice, they may not agree whether a platform gives them which degree of both.
[quote=muppetmaster]Certain things are fact, certain things are opinion. For example, we may all agree that water consists of H20, while we may not agree whether it is warm or cool to the touch. Consumers in general prefer low-cost and choice, they may not agree whether a platform gives them which degree of both.[/quote]
You talk of platform as if the humble old anlaogue house phone is dead?
You talk of platform as if the humble old anlaogue house phone is dead?
[quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster]Certain things are fact, certain things are opinion. For example, we may all agree that water consists of H20, while we may not agree whether it is warm or cool to the touch. Consumers in general prefer low-cost and choice, they may not agree whether a platform gives them which degree of both.[/quote]
You talk of platform as if the humble old anlaogue house phone is dead?[/quote]
Applies there as well. Consumers want low-cost and choice. Hence why in the US Ma-Bell was broken up and competition opened. The standard there that allowed interconnection was SS7 and others. Then you had a choice between long distance players, and even different calling packages within single carriers.
First it is amusing watching you deny reality. Second it is equally amusing that you have so much time to respond to posts but not support your own arguments...
You talk of platform as if the humble old anlaogue house phone is dead?[/quote]
Applies there as well. Consumers want low-cost and choice. Hence why in the US Ma-Bell was broken up and competition opened. The standard there that allowed interconnection was SS7 and others. Then you had a choice between long distance players, and even different calling packages within single carriers.
First it is amusing watching you deny reality. Second it is equally amusing that you have so much time to respond to posts but not support your own arguments...
[quote=muppetmaster][quote=gwaelod][quote=muppetmaster]Certain things are fact, certain things are opinion. For example, we may all agree that water consists of H20, while we may not agree whether it is warm or cool to the touch. Consumers in general prefer low-cost and choice, they may not agree whether a platform gives them which degree of both.[/quote]
You talk of platform as if the humble old anlaogue house phone is dead?[/quote]
Applies there as well. Consumers want low-cost and choice. Hence why in the US Ma-Bell was broken up and competition opened. The standard there that allowed interconnection was SS7 and others. Then you had a choice between long distance players, and even different calling packages within single carriers.
First it is amusing watching you deny reality. Second it is equally amusing that you have so much time to respond to posts but not support your own arguments...[/quote]
As I said before I am not arguing with you. You have your opinion, I have mine, time will tell.
You talk of platform as if the humble old anlaogue house phone is dead?[/quote]
Applies there as well. Consumers want low-cost and choice. Hence why in the US Ma-Bell was broken up and competition opened. The standard there that allowed interconnection was SS7 and others. Then you had a choice between long distance players, and even different calling packages within single carriers.
First it is amusing watching you deny reality. Second it is equally amusing that you have so much time to respond to posts but not support your own arguments...[/quote]
As I said before I am not arguing with you. You have your opinion, I have mine, time will tell.
Ah, still have time to reply but not support your arguments? This has nothing to do with opinion, but basic truths about the free market and consumers.
[quote=muppetmaster]Ah, still have time to reply but not support your arguments? This has nothing to do with opinion, but basic truths about the free market and consumers.[/quote]
You have your opinion, I have mine. Only time will tell who is right.
You have your opinion, I have mine. Only time will tell who is right.
Denial is a river in Muppetland
I seriously doubt if the fact that Skype is open or closed is relevant, nor is Gizmo's 1 cent per minute US rate. I have many telephony options, basic legacy POTS line, 2 numbers with SunRocket, a Verizon cell phone and of course Skype with a SkypeOut account which I rarely use, however it is a nice back up.
I pay $199 per year for SunRocket which includes unlimited calls to to the US, Canada and Puerto Rico, plus a $3.00 international credit each month. International rates vary but are only .03 per minute to 41 destinations worldwide. Of all of the options which I have available, I prefer using Skype for free PC to PC calls. The voice quality is superb and I can lean back in my Aeron chair, use my MicFlex mic which is placed 6 inches from my right speaker and it is like I am in the same room with the person with whom I am speaking. Zero feedback.
My only hope is that eBay does not cheapen Skype with ads and I hope that they do not create a chat room system similar to Paltalk.
For those of you who are not familiar with Paltalk, it is a very vile and vulgar program which is filled with ads and insane people, half of whom spend their time fighting over religion and politics, while the other half spend their time masturbating for each other via their web cams. If Skype goes that route, it will be ruined.
As a side note, I previously thought that Muppetmaster was a little hysterical regarding the age issue and Skype search, however after reading the NYT's article which he posted, I have changed my mind, he was right.
I pay $199 per year for SunRocket which includes unlimited calls to to the US, Canada and Puerto Rico, plus a $3.00 international credit each month. International rates vary but are only .03 per minute to 41 destinations worldwide. Of all of the options which I have available, I prefer using Skype for free PC to PC calls. The voice quality is superb and I can lean back in my Aeron chair, use my MicFlex mic which is placed 6 inches from my right speaker and it is like I am in the same room with the person with whom I am speaking. Zero feedback.
My only hope is that eBay does not cheapen Skype with ads and I hope that they do not create a chat room system similar to Paltalk.
For those of you who are not familiar with Paltalk, it is a very vile and vulgar program which is filled with ads and insane people, half of whom spend their time fighting over religion and politics, while the other half spend their time masturbating for each other via their web cams. If Skype goes that route, it will be ruined.
As a side note, I previously thought that Muppetmaster was a little hysterical regarding the age issue and Skype search, however after reading the NYT's article which he posted, I have changed my mind, he was right.
[quote=muppetmaster]Joe Public understands what US$0.01/min means, Joe Public understands that being able to use the service without a computer should be a standard feature of a telephony service
Thanks' [b]muppetmaster !
I'm so glad you're in this forum muppetmaster ! At least there is one brain that's working fine in this forum !
coolapic
Thanks' [b]muppetmaster !
I'm so glad you're in this forum muppetmaster ! At least there is one brain that's working fine in this forum !
coolapic
Sure...if you like Gizmo go for it. I tried out gizmo and I think any program that installs Bonjour on my system is just about useless. Anyway if your going to talk about alternative to sykpe why not walk about OpenWengo http://www.openwengo.org
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