What the hack now dear skype developers? Where's skype video? It's a shame that you focus only on to windows users! I was also one of them,but I just discovered Linux and I intend to stick with #them". What? Is there to less money in it? What about "free" skype for everybody? Come on,come on do something about it---SOON!

What the hack now dear skype developers? Where's skype video? It's a shame that you focus only on to windows users! I was also one of them,but I just discovered Linux and I intend to stick with #them". What? Is there to less money in it? What about "free" skype for everybody? Come on,come on do something about it---SOON!

I also can't wait for video for Linux also improved UI would be super!

I also can't wait for video for Linux also improved UI would be super!

Definetly! I agree. Let's wait still a little bit.Maybe x-mass man will bring us something.....

Definetly! I agree. Let's wait still a little bit.Maybe x-mass man will bring us something.....

You certainly mean christmas 2050 ... i guess no ?

You certainly mean christmas 2050 ... i guess no ?

Nope..I mean 2051 he he...

What the hack now dear skype developers? Where's skype video? It's a shame that you focus only on to windows users! [...] What? Is there to less money in it? What about "free" skype for everybody? Come on,come on do something about it---SOON!

Dear babalu,

I'm also looking very much forward to video for Skype Linux. I, however, prefer a little more patience and humility in my approach and don't demand free stuff from people that need to make a living.

I'm going to take the liberty of answering the questions you asked them: Yes, there is *much* less money in Skype for Linux. Both because the userbase is smaller, providing less income for the development costs, but particularly since Skype video for Linux is used for computer to computer communication that doesn't make Skype any money at all!

I was also one of them,but I just discovered Linux and I intend to stick with #them".

Just a quick note on this. If you intend to stick around, you should seriously reconsider your attitude. Most of the software you use is developed by volunteers who work on it in their limited free time. Be thankful and supportive of the developers. Please don't continue trying to pull this kind of shit off.

I'm also looking very much forward to video for Skype Linux. I, however, prefer a little more patience and humility in my approach and don't demand free stuff from people that need to make a living.

Fair enough. But then why don't they give us the source & accept the patches?
Free beer vs. free speech? -_-

Fair enough. But then why don't they give us the source & accept the patches?
Free beer vs. free speech? -_-

ImRe you may want to have a look at the efforts to understand the Skype protocol. This will pave the way of open source clients. Skype protocol on Wikipedia

Z.

Fair enough. But then why don't they give us the source & accept the patches?
Free beer vs. free speech? -_-

I don't know enough about Skype to say for sure, but I expect that they are keeping the software closed source for a similar reason as, for instace, Opera. Essentially, they have invested a lot of money into developing a superior product and need to show their investors profit. They are the pioneers in the market and want to make the most of their head start and market share. Giving away their code would make it easier for competitors to catch up.

As for patches; there really aren't enough people out there that would be both able and willing to get to know the code well enough to debug, fix and post a patch for this to be a viable benefit. Open and free software is a great idea for a particular type of userbase. For others, closed source makes a lot of sense.

And there are plenty of other service providers that protect their work — both the big (Apple, Google, Yahoo, etc.) and the small (MySpace, Movable Type is written in perl but with a proprietary license, etc.). Basically, everyone that wants to make money from their work.

I know the reasons for sofware copyright. They help paying my bills

But I find this "don't demand free stuff from peole" thing really annyoying, when it refers to sofware that is as free as free beer. :-/

Well, I also would like to see Video finally implemented in Linux version of Skype... But I would have some reservations asking for it by stomping my feet and shouting angrily . As mentioned before, Linux is a very small market compared to Windows. The result - Windows in in 3.x and Linux is in 1.x version. If you can help with coding, Skype has opening on their Linux dev team If you can't, please cast your vote for Video on the "most desired features" poll, and hope that they will get to it... eventually

But I find this "don't demand free stuff from peole" thing really annyoying, when it refers to sofware that is as free as free beer. :-/

So, would you complain if I gave you a beer that wasn't up to your standard? "What it isn't cold enough? Then give it back and go fetch your own." You're being given something which isn't free, for free. Showing gratitude is the least you can do.

This is the reason why you shouldn't demand free stuff from people.

Now, Skype is a commercial company and needs to keep its clients. The only way to make a successful demand is if there is a competitor to whom you can threaten leaving for. So, try ekiga or some other one and if the video works, advertise it as an alternative in the hope that it will push Skype to implement the feature.

If Skype is currently the best there is, this won't work. All you can do is hope that they will consider it financially worth while -- either for the direct benefits or because they want to be able to boast about being fully featured and multi-platform. Either way, your demands won't do any good, and in the case of the latter it might even be harmful since they might loose interest in developing non-paying features for a disrespectful and ungrateful community.

Either way, your demands won't do any good, and in the case of the latter it might even be harmful since they might loose interest in developing non-paying features for a disrespectful and ungrateful community.

Yeah, so stop complaining or Santa will bring you coal instead of gifts.
Threatening users is a very effective way to deal with them. Maybe you missed PR 101 held by Ebay guys?

This post has been edited by Kalman: Fri Dec 15 2006, 18:31

Who believes in Santa nowadays other than kids?

Yeah, so stop complaining or Santa will bring you coal instead of gifts.

I don't know about Santa, but I hope that he, as I, has nothing against complaining per se. The underlying principle that I *am* against is an ungrateful attitude and unconstructive comments.

Threatening users is a very effective way to deal with them. Maybe you missed PR 101 held by Ebay guys?

Threat: an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage.
Sorry, mate, but I'm afraid you've made two mistakes. Firstly, my offer for the rationale of why it is unwise and considered impolite to make demands when receiving free software and certain fermented beverages (with the implied extention to free things in general) was in no way a threat. Secondly, you seem to mean that I -- a simple user of the software -- have the obligation to treat other users with the same silk-gloves as a PR spokesperson should. I'm eagerly awaiting your arguments for why I should.

I don't know about Santa, but I hope that he, as I, has nothing against complaining per se. The underlying principle that I *am* against is an ungrateful attitude and unconstructive comments.
Threat: an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage.
Sorry, mate, but I'm afraid you've made two mistakes. Firstly, my offer for the rationale of why it is unwise and considered impolite to make demands when receiving free software and certain fermented beverages (with the implied extention to free things in general) was in no way a threat. Secondly, you seem to mean that I -- a simple user of the software -- have the obligation to treat other users with the same silk-gloves as a PR spokesperson should. I'm eagerly awaiting your arguments for why I should.

I wrongly assumed you were a staff member.

would skype 3.0 work under cedega,wine,crossover office?

i myslef would like video also and as i understand cedega has directx support which is needed for the video aspect of the product.

word of the wise "dont assume, theyll make an ass out of u and me"

mitra

This post has been edited by mitravelus: Mon Dec 18 2006, 02:30

Dear babalu,

I'm also looking very much forward to video for Skype Linux. I, however, prefer a little more patience and humility in my approach and don't demand free stuff from people that need to make a living.

I'm going to take the liberty of answering the questions you asked them: Yes, there is *much* less money in Skype for Linux. Both because the userbase is smaller, providing less income for the development costs, but particularly since Skype video for Linux is used for computer to computer communication that doesn't make Skype any money at all!
Just a quick note on this. If you intend to stick around, you should seriously reconsider your attitude. Most of the software you use is developed by volunteers who work on it in their limited free time. Be thankful and supportive of the developers. Please don't continue trying to pull this kind of shit off.

R u a developer Martin?

R u a developer Martin?

What about the cool Windows skype extras...?

speaking of market share and skype video for linux for the n'th time.

i thought mac has a smaller market share than linux desktop? yet mac now has video feature.

when it comes to development cost of skype linux video , correct me if i'm wrong here, but isn't it a little simpler than it should be? ekiga has done it. i thought its just tapping V4L and then mapp it in skype protocol and viola you have skype video for linux